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Post by sovietstu on Sept 2, 2008 22:23:22 GMT
So are we going primarily Order or Destruction?
I need to know.
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Post by Razorik on Sept 2, 2008 23:30:14 GMT
So are we going primarily Order or Destruction? I need to know. Right I think this is how we are doing it. Destruction - Core Server - to ally with TGM and KDS for numbers and end game content ease. Order - (server to be decided) - to kick the shit out or anyone in anyway we see fit. Main I would say is entirely up to you and if you are going to play past the free 30 days.
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Post by mamoru on Sept 2, 2008 23:30:16 GMT
I would prefer to go Order personally, as I already know which class I want to play.
And to be honest KDS was a deciding factor in sodding off AoC, so not sure i want to be arsed allying with them and never got on to well with TGM. I don't want to end up having my choices dictated by which side they choose to play.
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Post by Razorik on Sept 2, 2008 23:33:35 GMT
As I said we can play both there are two schools of though.
1) annoy KDS in pvp by going order on their server
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2) by destruction on their server with TGM and possibly open up pvp and pve content that might not have been available otherwise.
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Post by falgorn on Sept 3, 2008 7:48:59 GMT
As I said we can play both there are two schools of though. 1) annoy KDS in pvp by going order on their server or 2) by destruction on their server with TGM and possibly open up pvp and pve content that might not have been available otherwise. At some point we may want to do the higher end stuff, I'd rather try it with people we know and that can at least organise stuff on a larger scale, than try and pug up with random people on whichever server we land. I'll go Destruction with my main, but will have at least 2 order characters on another server as I want to try witchunter and warrior priest.
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Post by sovietstu on Sept 3, 2008 7:50:13 GMT
I just want to know which side we are going to play primarily. I ask, because when the early access hits and the servers go live, i want to have decided on my side and class during beta, so i can just start concentrating on one main character. This way i can have a good playtest of what the game has to offer during the free 30 days. I don't wanna be playing several characters right off, none of which get very far in the 30 days. I don't mind being KDS' ally (but not in the guild), or giving them shit in pvp as the opposing side. I still have bad memories of TGM, primarily Preatorian. If he's not around, i dont mind hooking up with them. Just someone make a decision
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Post by si on Sept 3, 2008 8:14:04 GMT
I personally wanna go ORDER, to be a Shadow Warrior. But would settle for Destruction if need be.
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Post by Majere on Sept 3, 2008 8:53:07 GMT
Personally, if I nd up getting the game, I will most likely go to where the KDS and TGM guilds go, simply as with them I'll get into end-game content and have a much better support structure for knowledge and assistance etc.
The problem with going off and doing our own thing is that, inevitably, numbers dwindle and we just end up doing the equivalent of 5 man runs in WoW over and over. Up to a point, that's fun, but I play these games to experience new stuff. for example, in WoW I have pretty much gone through every end game instance (Tempest Keep, Serpent Shrine Cavern, Black Temple) and have even had a look in at the Sunwell!
While I know TGM wasn't everyone's cup of tea, if we hadn't joined them when we did I would've left WoW 2 years ago and never seen anything past UBRS, which would've been a shame! I can't speak for KDS, as I have never been in their guild and SWG was too long ago for me to remember.
However, what I can say, is that guilds of these size will always have people you don't like, that's just how it goes. I generally tend to ignore them. Also, guilds of these sizes will never work without strong leadership, as without it there is just chaos. I know some may take this to slightly extreme levels, but that's fine by me, as you'll never get anywhere without it. I have had the pleasure of being in two successful (and very easy going NON-HARDCORE GUILDS) in WoW, as believe me, there is a LOT worse out there than what we have been in. From all accounts, KDS were a little militant with their structures, but that's a slight sacrafice I'm willing to make in order to experience the full game, as opposed to buying Starcraft and constantly replaying the first three levels and never going any further.
Just my two cents, I may not even get WAR due to the fact that 4 evenings during the week are already very busy.
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Post by si on Sept 3, 2008 8:57:42 GMT
Good point, although KDS were very strict.. After we left they did do very high level large group raids.
And they never forced there members to do anything. It was all good.
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Post by falgorn on Sept 3, 2008 10:10:06 GMT
KDs are chilling out in WoW, but there was still a lot of analdom in that guild.
TgM improved over time and while there are always arsetards there were very goog players there as well, and people dedicated to making the guild work.
With the emphasis on guild play / guild progression I'd really like to be in a situation whereby long term if we stay with WAR were constantly progressing. Remember - Guilds have 40 levels to scale also, I don't want to be chopping and changing constantly due to lack of people etc.
TgM are still discussing what side they will pick - there might be scope to push for order. Eitherway, I think we should guild with them and have that be our focus. The reason for going same server as KDS is because when we need people for RvR we will have not only them to call on - but the other guilds that gravitate towards them, or that they form agreements with.
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Post by sovietstu on Sept 3, 2008 12:55:20 GMT
Your all thinking of "end game content" in wow terms.
You don't need a leet d00d TGM guild for this game.
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Post by falgorn on Sept 3, 2008 13:03:26 GMT
Your all thinking of "end game content" in wow terms. You don't need a leet d00d TGM guild for this game. I completely agree but for 2 things - 1. There is high end PvE content in the game that will require larger groups 2. Co ordinating a full on realm assault requires numbers. Sure we can take part in ones organised by other guilds, but I'd rather have some control over this and be capable of pushing this element along ourselves. TGM / KDS approach could put us at the front of 40 + players which in realm terms means we can assault 1 - 2 of the main fronts at once, opening up the chance for our guild / allies alone to push towards an enemy city. It also means that were not completely reliant on idiot randomers for large scale fun! I'd like to have some access to big numbers - and is there realistically gonig to be anyone of us willing to co ordinate stuff in game? It also insulates people who decide to stay in the game if half of you go back to wow or stop playing!
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Post by Majere on Sept 3, 2008 14:06:06 GMT
I'd like to have some access to big numbers - and is there realistically gonig to be anyone of us willing to co ordinate stuff in game? It also insulates people who decide to stay in the game if half of you go back to wow or stop playing! I totally agree with Fal, but particulalrly in relation to the above point. Remember, I'm the only one of us who actually still plays on burning Legion in WoW, and would have found it impossible to get into any guild had I not been part of the guilds I have played with. "End game" content, or whatever you want to call it in WAR, will be 10 times more fun if I know half the voices talking to me down Vent. Oh, and just to add, I prefer being ina guild with some "1337" people, as they generally know the game inside out, know the mechanics, have read 9078 web pages relating to such etc. That way, I need to do nothing and can get advice off them (for example, in WoW I have had two people help me with my talent build, gear, and gems making Majere as leathal as he can be, and about 15% more useful than I had him).
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Post by Razorik on Sept 3, 2008 15:34:08 GMT
Well I think that as both Rob and Lorcan 'REALLY' wish to join up with a bigger guild, I think I would lean towards that myself, basically due to the fact of when WOTLK comes out then that will take away from what we could do in a smaller guild. Not complaining about WOTLK in any way here, so no hijacking!
I would just rather be in the position to be able to continue playing the game when Stu, Terry and Iain start to split their play time again. I think it would be in our interests Si to keep the game going.
We can still have our own Alt guild if we want, both on the same server and on another.
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Post by ticks on Sept 3, 2008 16:08:29 GMT
For me it will be with TGM. I know what the guild will be like and teaming up with KDS will mean we get to on the winning side more often then not.
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Post by sovietstu on Sept 3, 2008 16:44:26 GMT
it'll just end in tears
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Post by mamoru on Sept 3, 2008 18:29:38 GMT
I still think we could have our own guild and enjoy the game, have ties to TGM or whatever, I just feel it's going the same way with AoC "hey lets join KDS, it will be awesome they will be a big guild and we can do PVP and PVE with them" cut to 2 weeks later "hang on this sucks donkey balls" just my opinion.
As far as sides are concerned I still say Order, as the only class I want to look at playing is on that side.
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Post by Razorik on Sept 3, 2008 19:15:09 GMT
To be fair to KDS though, what really bad experiences did anyone actually have from them? Yes the one and only meeting we went to was overly long and tedious, but aside from that I actually didn't have any negative exposure to them. I'm not saying the style in which they play games is fully what I would wish to play like, but I never felt bullied into doing anything for/with them. We will of course have our own guild too I have no doubt about that I personally would like to have my main as Order too 'cos I really want to try Engineer out, however I would be fine with going Destruction to give access to safety in numbers and again Terry don't forget even if you do like the game yours and Stu's and Iain's time in Warhammer will likely be split with WoW thereby quite often potentially leaving us short in numbers to do any group work if we just venture out as our own guild. Just noticed an almost complete lack of punctuation in that last paragraph, but I can't be arsed going and correcting it! I say we dip our toe in the water with TGM and let KDS know we will be in game, during beta. If it isn't for us we can make the move when the servers go live on the 18th. This is one of the handy reasons to be in beta.
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Post by ticks on Sept 3, 2008 19:39:31 GMT
I cant see war being pug friendly and by being in a bigger guild the odds are you wont be in a pug often. I will be going to roll Order on one sever and Destruction on an other to try out different classes. TGM was a good guild to be in and I am looking forward to being in it again
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Post by mamoru on Sept 3, 2008 20:40:56 GMT
Look if you want to join a big guild go right ahead but prsonally I never get anything out of being in those kind of guilds I just end up having nothing to do with them as do most of us.
I agree Rik we didn't really have anything negative from KDS but when did we do anything with them. Even in WoW with TGM yeah some did most didn't.
I personally don't want to join a big guild at least not right away no real point.
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